I KNOW THAT NO ONE IS PERFECT AND THERE ARE PASTORS OUT THERE THAT STILL DEAL WITH THE STRUGGLES OF LIFE. WE SHOULD GROW AND MATURE IN OUR CHRISTIAN WALK, SO IF A PASTOR IS STILL CUSSING WHEN HE SPEAKS, IS HE TRULY SAVED?

I know that in the past I have been really good at explaining, excusing and justifying things I was doing to try and relieve some of my guilt... but now I try to just go straight to the Word and see what it says:

"Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers." Eph 4:29

By their fruit you will recognize them. Matt 7:16-20, Luke 6:43-46

There are definitely strongholds and bondages that must be broken, and some take longer than others. Is this something the Pastor is trying to stop or is it something he excuses? What lesson is this teaching those that hear him? Is he being a stumbling block to others, saved and unbelievers? Whether or not he is truly saved is for God to determine, but should he be in a position of leadership? I don't think so. Should he be counseled and discipled? Absolutely!

Well put my brother well put!

 But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison.

 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God; from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way.

James 3:8-10

i wouldnt say they arent saved...id say they should be pastoring if they are cussing from the pulpit...

wow.

I think yes they are saved. All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God

Romans 3:23. but when you are a pastor cursing you should be mature by then! No you cant justify this! they are saved but they no better!

Depends on the Pastors relationship with God I believe. If he is constantly

throw'n "F" BoMbs everywhere, then I would really question if he is even saved!!

But you know, God looks at are heart..... and people look at the outward appearance..

1 Samuel 16:7

man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Well, I would hope that the Pastor repented of his sin before preaching a word to his congregation.  Actually, even if he did not repent, God still would have used him to reach people because the gifts that God gives us is without repentance.

 (Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance)

These scriptures below pop up in my mind ......

 Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven).  Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?  

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Very serious business here!!!!

Not sure if I answered the question????

Mark 7:18-20 (King James Version)

18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

who are we to judge a mans salvation based on his faults and errors?

" And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him."

really...

i think that the word of god says that out of the heart the mouth speaks so if you have christ in your heart you should not talk or behave in ungodly ways. we must truly repent of our ways and let go and let god..

We re not talking about  just any man, we are talking about  a  Pastor.  There is a higher calling on there lives and requirement with someone preaching Gods word and speaking into to the lives of Gods people.

 Luke 17:4 and Jesus was saying  that we need to  take heed to ourselves, that if our brother or sister in the Lord  trespass against us, that we are to rebuke him or her; and if he or she repents, then we are to  forgive them.  

..that scripture was speaking about offenses in the church...

How does that apply to this topic?

"IF A PASTOR IS STILL CUSSING WHEN HE SPEAKS, IS HE TRULY SAVED?"

since the question doesn't state whether the pastor is speaking

publicly or privately I assume this is a question of personal offense.

a pastor, though a leader and not just any man, is nonetheless a man and subject to the same errors, struggles and temptations common to every believer.

it was never promised that pastors would never deviate from God’s vision,

nor that a pastor would be kept from temptation or fall. it is easy for one man to get sidetracked "a wise man with knowledge will seek wise counsel

and in a multitude of counselors, there is safety."

peter, one of my fav disciples, is known for speaking without, or little, thought.

he was rebuked by Jesus himself because of his mouth. we know he didn't mind a good fight, because of his actions during Jesus' capture. plus he cursed some folk out just before the cocks crow. yet this, a man of the body of christ and jesus' personal disciple, was forgiven and later came to preach the miraculous pentecost, saving thousands.

I'm not making excuses for pastors. they ought to be held accountable

for their actions. to neglect accountability is to set a pastor up for failure and its also

contrary to the scriptures. but I don't hold them above being more than man and

subject to some error. hence the relevance of the response.

if i misinterpreted the question then, please, correct me. i welcome and appreciate

criticism and correction.

It is not for us to determine such things. In fact, it's a waste of time to worry about stuff like that until our own life reaches perfection. I'm guessing that will be never.

....oh, was just trying to understand where you were coming from.  That was not a critisism or correction bro, just was wondering what you were talk'n bout. lol

This is a forum... so I was try'n to like, make conversation....

lol

i can dig it. my posts carry all love. no hate no attitude no controversy. i appreciate the question. you gave me a chance, should i be misunderstood, to clarify for another also.

peace and grace.

VON WON at 08:32PM on Mar 19, 2009

I KNOW THAT NO ONE IS PERFECT AND THERE ARE PASTORS OUT THERE THAT STILL DEAL WITH THE STRUGGLES OF LIFE. WE SHOULD GROW AND MATURE IN OUR CHRISTIAN WALK, SO IF A PASTOR IS STILL CUSSING WHEN HE SPEAKS, IS HE TRULY SAVED?

Honestly Von I believe that when you hold such a powerful position it is very important that you live a life of holiness. Is he still saved yes but is living above the line! No! I think that is the problem with society to , some people feel i can follow this commandment but I dont have to follow all the commandments. Not saying bc hes a pastor he cant fall short of God's glory but its a difference from slipping in sin and swimming in sin. If and if you slip and curse that doesnt mean keep cursing, or lieing, or stealing! No pastors are not God. But the bible tells us to follow the Man of God as he follows Christ. Christ wasnt cursing in Matthew when the disciples were following him. So as a Leader of any such you need to know what God is requiring and that is Holiness!

Cant really say that he is saved or not saved because we are all unfinished products and i dont know what God is working on in him but he should be praying on fixing that tounge James 3:9-12 says it best

He may be saved, but if he's cussing he definitely isn't sanctified and as a leader he has to be in order to please God with his works.

MATTHEW CHAPTER 7.......